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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

All so true Al. Most people don't even know that Lincoln only freed the southern "slaves," not the northern ones and that was why the underground railroad went to Canada. They also haven't a clue, which you know only too well, that the war was NOT over slavery but economics. The "majority" north didn't like the south's success. Jealousy is obvious today in so many instances...but that's what it was then too.

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Wayne Carlson's avatar

Excellent scholarship Al. Thanks

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Lee Vail's avatar

I'm no supporter of slavery either, nor do I subscribe to the Nicene heresy of the Trinity.

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Al Benson Jr.'s avatar

The Trinity would be one area we'd have to agree to disagree on.

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Lee Vail's avatar

I'm not denying the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Nicene Creed is Gnosticism at its ugliest state of being. If it is so confusing it cannot be fully understood is enough for me to see that it is nonsense, thereby it is heresy, apostasy even. Even the Holy Scriptures (AKA O.T.), rightly divided, prove the Nicene Creed as heretical.

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Al Benson Jr.'s avatar

I'm not basing my belief on the Nicene Creed but rather what I get from the Scripture--the 1611 King James Bible.

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Lee Vail's avatar

I learned to read in part thanks to the 1611 KJV. I have discovered there are some translational errors in the KJV, which we find in most modern translations, which is why I consult multiple versions and translations. Having studied the Scriptures intensely for over twenty years I cannot accept the Nicene Creed as doctrine. And I am not alone.

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Al Benson Jr.'s avatar

The Nicene Creed didn't enter into my thinking on this issue. I've read several translations over the years also and disregarded most of the newer ones. One I did find interesting was, if I recall correctly, "The Annotated New Testament." It was in paperback and I never saw a hardback copy.

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

I totally agree Al!

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Kelleigh Nelson's avatar

Most of the modern translations and versions are corrupted. The very best one out there is hard to find...it's the 1901 American Standard Version. Yet, I love the KJV, even though it goes against the grain in some areas, because of the poetry. I can't recite the 23rd Psalm or the Lord's Prayer following any other version.

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Al Benson Jr.'s avatar

When I was 5 or 6 years old I had to recite the 23rd Psalm for a Sunday School class and it was from the KJV. I never forgot it and can still recite it today almost 80 years later. The KJV is the easiest to memorize. The newer language in most of these newer versions is eminently forgettable.

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